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Author Topic: Looks like only cars younger than 10 years old next year.  (Read 771 times)
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« on: 13 August 2008, 04:28:18 PM »

Found this on the other rally website, I guess it might explain why some teams had a few problems getting into Mongolia.


http://mongolrally.theadventurists.com/index.php?page=tenYearRule

"We've been working closely with the Mongolian Government for many years we have a great relationship with them. This year they have decided that all cars given to charity in Mongolia have to be younger the 10 years old. This means that the cars have a higher value for the charity sale and that they are better for the environment. "
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« Reply #1 on: 13 August 2008, 07:30:00 PM »

this sucks.. i have just bought next years car which cost me 2k, its a 93 model 3 litre Hilux surf.. cracking vehicle... if this is the case then i have to resell it.

surely it should be either 10 years or worth something.. 4x4's dont come cheap and is a great vehicle for auction!

I need to know the outcome of this before i start working on it.

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« Reply #2 on: 13 August 2008, 08:28:07 PM »

Firstly, the new rules are not what affected the northern border. All was fine, and remains fine at the Western Border. It was interesting that we only started to experience problems at the Northern Border after Dan of the Adventurists arrived at the border... The Mongolian charity we work with have been resolving the problems and a full report will be made in due course.

Secondly, the new rules that are coming in regarding the import of vehicles are a great improvement and we have been pushing for them, not least with our most recent meetings with the Mongolian Ministry of Finance and the Mongolian Ambassador in London. We warmly welcome them, and it illustrates what we have been saying for the past year to many teams - it simply isn't sustainable for 300 scrap cars to be dumped in a country like Mongolia. Unfortunately, the Adventurists, as ever, have over simplified the situation - but I guess they are keen to get those £650 cheques rolling in! We are waiting to clarify the exact requirements with the Ministry of Finance once the new laws are finalised.

When the Adventurists say "we've been working with the Mongolian Government for many years", they are unfortunately lying. Will and I have been working with the Mongolian Government for many years. Tom cut and run in August 2005 leaving me to work on the mess from that rally until December 2005. Will continued (he was living in Mongolia) right through to the following summer. I made all of the arrangements for the 2006 import (Tom only joined me briefly to help). I developed the concept of the vehicle passport and conducted the many meetings with customs and the MoF. I was also the one who introduced the Vehicle Passport for teams on the rally (it was written on a laptop sat in the French Bistro with a Mongolian Lawyer translating...!).

Anyway, Tom only properly got involved in the import process in 2007 following our withdrawal from helping with the rally in November 2006 when Tom took the Rally (and the remaining funds destined for the charities) and placed them into a profit making company in November 2006. This company still pretends to be a Social Enterprise (it isn't- it is privately owned, it just happens to raise money for charities - plus membership of the Social Enterprise Coalition is open to anyone - which is why companies like Lloyds TSB Bank are members...). Anyway, I digress into territory that is still the subject of the legal dispute over the missing charity funds...

Back to import. Will and I continued to import a small number of vehicles in 2007 using the same procedure and our key contact Enkhbataar and the CDPF (who like us, refused to work with the Adventurists). See: http://www.drivetomongolia.org/
The Adventurists even approached Enkhbataar in the autumn 2007 (with some considerable pressure) to arrange the import for them - but he quite rightly refused.
We arranged a formal agreement in November 2007 with the Ministry of Finance. The Adventurists did not have an import agreement until only recently.

Anyway, the vehicle rules on the Mongolia Charity Rally 2009 will be a little tighter than this year, which we have been pushing for. I doubt anyone will be disappointed other than the handful this year who thought ancient Micras and Bedford Rascals were great vehicles. The rules will largely cover the top 2/3 of the vehicles that went this year. Decent vehicles will not be turned away.

Anyway, we're very close to opening entries, (I expect that is part of the reason the Adventurists were so keen to get their cash rolling in Cheesy). Anyway, fear not, there will be plenty of spaces for teams to take part in the Mongolia Charity Rally 2009 and witout paying the ridiculous fee the Adventurists charge of £650 (none of which goes to charity).

There will be a small increase in the entry fee for the Mongolia Charity Rally 2009 as we want to offer a little more than this year and also have more money to spend on our charity project in Mongolia. This has been kept secret at the moment, but the spare money from the entry fees this year has already been directly saving children's lives in Mongolia. We're waiting for the video footage to put on the site, but this will be worth the wait.

Finally, check out what the Adventurists offer: http://mongolrally.theadventurists.com/index.php?page=entryfeeexplained09
and you'll see the only thing we won't be matching or beating (such as the launch Naadam) is the 'party' in Prague they organise. However, if anyone wants to pay an extra £400+ on their entry fee we're quite happy to arrange something for you in Prague...

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« Reply #3 on: 14 August 2008, 07:19:08 AM »

Sounds spot on.

Nearly without exception, every team I met on the Mongol Rally along the way expressed concern with the way things had been run for them; many of them explicitly saying they'd wished they'd heard of Charity Rallies earlier than they did (i.e. before they forked out cash to The Adventurists).

Chatting to the guys at the CDPF reiterated how important it was to take a car of worth. In fact, the best day of the entire trip for me was being taken to see their work in UB, showing the kids the car and having a game of football with them. They're without a teacher at the moment - so fingers crossed and some of the proceeds from the sale of the Defender will go to getting some teaching staff back for the kids.

Undoubtedly the Adventurists will continue to be over subscribed, but as their event becomes less and less about making it in a cr** car, I really hope people shift the focus to taking something worthwhile....
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« Reply #4 on: 14 August 2008, 10:50:25 AM »

this sucks.. i have just bought next years car which cost me 2k, its a 93 model 3 litre Hilux surf.. cracking vehicle... if this is the case then i have to resell it.

surely it should be either 10 years or worth something.. 4x4's dont come cheap and is a great vehicle for auction!

I need to know the outcome of this before i start working on it.



Just to be clear we do not have the 10 year old rule.  That is the other rally.  If your car is worth £2k then i'm sure it will be fine.  We will announce our specific car regulations for next year in due course.
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« Reply #5 on: 14 August 2008, 05:41:20 PM »

nice one Stephen and Archie

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« Reply #6 on: 14 August 2008, 07:22:56 PM »


Nearly without exception, every team I met on the Mongol Rally along the way expressed concern with the way things had been run for them; many of them explicitly saying they'd wished they'd heard of Charity Rallies earlier than they did (i.e. before they forked out cash to The Adventurists).



we met white van men and a guy who'd had a landrover donated by Northumbrian water and we said the exact thing to them! sadly didn't find this site until after we'd signed up to the other one. However - there's always next year...
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« Reply #7 on: 15 August 2008, 06:58:54 AM »



we met...a guy who'd had a landrover donated by Northumbrian water and we said the exact thing to them! sadly didn't find this site until after we'd signed up to the other one. However - there's always next year...

C'est moi!
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« Reply #8 on: 15 August 2008, 09:17:21 AM »

TomA is in the team with the Landrover, see their team pages:
http://mongolia.charityrallies.org/en/wateraid
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« Reply #9 on: 15 August 2008, 12:58:33 PM »

hey Tom were you the guy from the airport? sorry we didn't say bye properly cos we were in a mad panic to get our flights changed so we didn't have a 10 hour wait in Moscow lol. We did it though. I'm the girly one you met Smiley

we know of at least 2 other teams who will be repeating the journey next year using 'charity rallies'.

would be interested to know if the 10 year rule applies here too though. I'm not too concerned about the age of the car - but I'm not sure it would be such a good idea to take a car with an ECU as they need computers to fix em - they might be in short supply in Mongolia lol (I have bad 'clio' experiences of ECUs)
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« Reply #10 on: 15 August 2008, 03:09:38 PM »

The Mongolian Parliament are currently reviewing their car import laws.  We will not know for certain what the situation for next year is until at least September.  We will only introduce a 10 year old rule if the new law demands it, but it is possible.  A likely outcome is that if your car is older than 10 then it will have to have a higher value.

I suggest holding off on buying vehicles for next year until the situation is clear.

Apologies for my earlier reply.  I cannot, in fact, be sure that a car worth $2k will be accepted.
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« Reply #11 on: 15 August 2008, 03:43:58 PM »

hey Tom were you the guy from the airport? sorry we didn't say bye properly cos we were in a mad panic to get our flights changed so we didn't have a 10 hour wait in Moscow lol. We did it though. I'm the girly one you met Smiley


It may have been, or it may not have been. I have recollections of vaguely speaking to people at the airport, but I might have been drunker/more tired than I thought by then. If you had a coherent conversation, it was probably with Ollie (mohawk, getting a flight to Moscow and on to Barcelona).
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« Reply #12 on: 15 August 2008, 05:45:18 PM »

bespectacled? yep - I am sure he said his name was Ollie Smiley
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« Reply #13 on: 15 August 2008, 08:19:04 PM »

The Mongolian Parliament are currently reviewing their car import laws.  We will not know for certain what the situation for next year is until at least September.  We will only introduce a 10 year old rule if the new law demands it, but it is possible.  A likely outcome is that if your car is older than 10 then it will have to have a higher value.

I suggest holding off on buying vehicles for next year until the situation is clear.

Apologies for my earlier reply.  I cannot, in fact, be sure that a car worth $2k will be accepted.

I was talking pounds not dollars. Did you mean pounds?

if thats the case then i will simply need to sell it and buy something newer. but with the same value. Although i think a 4x4 will certainly be less pot hole beaten than a small car.

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« Reply #14 on: 18 August 2008, 11:02:31 AM »

£s is better!

The car sounds like exactly what we want, however until the new law has at least been debated in Mongolia we cannot say for certain.  Hang on to it, the law has not been debated yet, let alone passed. The Adventurists are guessing with their 10 year rule at this stage.  If things do change then it is possible you may have to sell it, but i think you should be fine.
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